Comments on: “We put the meat on the pole, not on the plate”

By: kelly g.

kelly g. — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:35:14 +0000

Larro - I’m an atheist as well, so my issues with strip clubs, porn, etc., aren’t based in religion, nor would I consider myself a prude (that’s not to suggest that your comment was necessarily directed at me, just sayin’). In an ideal word - one in which men and women are truly treated and regarded as equals - I’d be ok with strips clubs, pornography, and the sex industry. Adults should be free to do as they please, as long as they aren’t violating anyone else’s human rights. However, we live in a patriarchy, and the sex industry can’t be separated from that. Sex workers, in general, are treated poorly, and men control most of the means of production. Sexism and misogyny permeate the industry; porn in particular has become more and more violent and degrading to women. Look no further than the quote from Diablo: “We put the meat on the pole.” Women as something to be consumed - wonderful.

It’s not the sex I have a problem with, it’s the subjugation, oppression and misogyny.

By: Larro

Larro — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:41:13 +0000

From what I understand, the display code can’t be displayed in Wordpress blogs. I’ll have to see if I can design a script or something.

Thanks for your interest.

By: Larro

Larro — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:38:07 +0000

Well, who’d of thunk that one!?

Hmm, as far as the ethical issues involved here 1) animals don’t have a choice in the matter of whether they want to end up on somebodies plate or not 2) women (and men) do have choices of whether or not they like having a job as a stripper. Personally, I see no problem with it but only the prudish nature by which people disdain and shun these people and their profession. Then again I could chalk this kind of attitude up to Christian moralism, but that’s also one excuse for people to eat meat (Genesis 1-28-30). I’m an atheist so all that has no sway with me, but I’m also vegan which I see as a higher ethical issue to tackle than most others.

BTW, welcome to the Vegan Blogroll. SuperWeed has been added.

By: saracious

saracious — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:31:18 +0000

It’s sad that there is even a debate within the animal rights movement about supporting (or not) other movements against oppression. Thank you for blogging, pattrice.

By: Olivia Lane

Olivia Lane — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:11:23 +0000

Dude, when I author something it’s not the opinion of “SuperVegan”, it’s my own opinion. So here’s my “opinion”:

I honestly tried to write the news story with a tone that was void of any judgment for or against a vegan strip club or strip clubs in general. I found humor in the ridiculous things the owner said and in the entire venture all together and tried to imbue my post with that tone. I really have no interest in debating the morality of strip clubs so I tried to avoid this and instead linked to places where others had expressed their opinions. I also hope that SV readers would express their opinions for or against the establishment in the comments.

I described Johnny as an ethical vegan because the things he said and his actions gave me the impression that he’s vegan because he’d like to prevent non-human animal suffering, not because he’s a saint. I mean, I’m an “ethical vegan” and just wait until my unauthorized biography comes out!

Sorry if I caused any confusion. I’d just hate to go down in the records as giving this place my blessings (or damnation). I don’t want to tell you how to feel, but if anything, you should just be sad that I refused to pass judgement–that would be fair.

I’m totally with Kelly on the fact that just because someone is “progressive” on one issue, doesn’t mean they’re “progressive” on every issue. Also, I guess there are lots of different perspectives on exactly what actions, lifestyle choices, and views could be defined as “progressive.” I guess that’s what keeps the experience of trying to live an ethical life interesting.